Fake Encounters and Missing People
Posted by caashurr on June 19, 2007
Rediff News on Fake Encounters
Hindustan Times on Fake Encounters(Sorry, the link doesn’t work anymore)
Tribune India on Fake Encounters
Now it has been few months since i thought i would write a small post on Fake Encounters and Missing People. But I just cant put my words together. I cant even get into the psyche of a person who has a brother, or a son or a father missing. They are not even sure if they are dead for they would like to perform the last rites, nor are they sure if they are alive for they would like to look forward to a reunion. I dont know how it is for them. I wonder, how do they start the day. Is it just another day or is it just another painful day. A reality that is not there, a certainity of nothing, and a loss which they are not sure about. Should they wail at the death of the dear one or should they wait for him to return. They did return for some, in the form of coffins. Atleast, these fortunate unfortunates were able to see how the life ended. Yes, i am talking of those fake killings which came into fore lately. Well, it was few months back… Have we forgotten that…
The indian media for the first time was perplexed as to what should they say to the people. A truth, which they are having hard time to digest or another mixed story… It is hard to believe for the majority in india that the soldier of the movie LOC, could do something of that kind. For that matters soldiers of all the movies which they see on television and cinema. But then, the real soldier is also a human. And a human can be both good or bad… There are bad people in paramilitary forces, and this fact is hard to digest for the people in india.
I did not intend to write this long a piece. But then i could not stop my thoughts and my fingers wouldn’t stop until i reached this word. I hope the reality of life in kashmir comes in front of the world. The sooner it does, the sooner we will be out of this misery.
God bless those families who have one or the other missing. May god give them patience, to bear the loss which they are not sure of.
A Soul in Exile said
Dear Caashur
Please give me some answers to my queries posted in response to this post…
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http://soulinexile.blogspot.com/2007/06/this-post-is-in-response-to-this-post.html
-A Soul in Exile…
SiE Wake Up said
Dear SiE,
I wonder if you really share Caashurr’s anguish and pain about the countless just on the basis of how prompt you have been in reacting.
And reacting is all that you can do in a variety of ways – or may be just repeating the same old story 1000 times. I have seen anytime a Kashmiri speaks about the atrocities perpeterated under the garb of security and anti-terrorism measures, pat comes the response Bitta Karate. Somehow I feel Bitta Karate has done more harm to we Kashmiri Muslims than anyone else. So, its not we, who have at all benefitted from his actions (you can turn this sentence the other way around and get livid, I do not care)
Half a million Kashmiris, leaving their homes is a real sad chapter and we all know how it was carried out with the implicit support of M/s Jagmohan & Co. You have a right to disagree. So next time do not hold us responsible for anything. We too could have fled from the “security forces” but our fleeing wouldn’t have won any political party the votes so we would have been more worse. Reservations in engg and medical colleges, INA market are just a few things I can quote.
What about Kashmiris – even today as I write this I worry about myself, I worry about my friend in Delhi, Almighty knows, on what pretext Delhi Police’s Special Cell will take us in, bump us off and declare us as dreaded Ts. Who is there to question them.. No one?
If an upcoming Kashmiri model can be subject to torture and all kind of false accusations, I have a right to be scared.
Coming back to your favourite villain (or hero) BK, the ones who arrested him and the ones who freed him weren’t two different sets of authorities but the ones who are on your side. Go and ask them a question, not us. I hope you will stop raising this BK banner once for all.
Indian media, supposed to be very alert and unbiased, took 2 decades to acknowledge what has been perpeterated on us. And mind you the case of disappeared persons is just a tip of the iceberg. There are much more heart wrenching stories of the atrocities which probably may never see the light of the day.
Do you think if tomorrow they fear reprisals from the gov’t that they would still continue highlighting these cases. I am sure they would not. Things havent changed overnight you see.
By the way, the case of disappeared persons may have been highlighted in the Indian media but do they have the guts to speak to common man in Kashmiri and put his views on the live TV channels. No they won’t for obvious reasons (you can hear chants of freedom in your mind, I can bet).
Talking about condemnation, show me some condemnation in Gujarati media about Mr. Modi’s actions, show me some condemnation in same gujarati vernaculars about that minister who burnt down and later took a famous Muslim eatery in Ahmedabad. Show me a Panchjanya asking Advani to be ashamed of Babri Masjid demolition.. I can go on and on and on.
Gun which ever side it is on never ever sprays flowers. Think about it, nearly 50000 people (by conservative estimates) have been killed by those who are supposed to protect us, And all you can talk is of displacement. Say a quiet prayer, atleast you are alive.
SiE Wake Up said
Dear Soul in Exile
Read this to get more idea about what being the one who has lost a near and dear one to these “disappearances” mean
Click here
abhilash shastry said
Dear SiE:
Probably you never read “Gujarat Samachar”. It is the second largest gujarati newspaper in circulation. Please do some research before making false claims.
How do we know said
My answer to your post came long ago, a few monthe before you wrote it.
http://ki-jaana-main-kaun.blogspot.com/2007/02/protests-in-kashmir.html
Get a heart, guys. Really.
The Army is not there because it wants to be there. Not one Army Jawan in Kashmir wants to be in a hostile land away from his family. The Army is there because the terrorists are there. And the terrorists are these because the average Kashmiri wants him there.
Pakistan already has half of Kashmir by force. Every Kashmiri who wants to belong to Pakistan is well advised to go to that country for a while to see what it’s like to live there, and then to stay there if they like it.
Oh, and to SIE Wake up, in response to your line :
“Think about it, nearly 50000 people (by conservative estimates) have been killed by those who are supposed to protect us, And all you can talk is of displacement. Say a quiet prayer, atleast you are alive.”
What awesome magnanimity on your part to leave a Kashmiri Hindu alive! How can SiE ever be grateful enough?
How do we know said
“Think about it, nearly 50000 people (by conservative estimates) have been killed by those who are supposed to protect us, And all you can talk is of displacement. Say a quiet prayer, atleast you are alive.”
Oh, and did you know, that displacement was triggered by mass murders too? Whole buses of “Kaafir”s were blown up.
Who are you kidding??
Juz A Kashmiri said
Whole buses of Kaafir’s blown up. This is news to me. When did such a gory incident happen?
A Reader said
Mr.Cashuur
If jagmohan as you say was responsible, then what about the list of KP who get killed in june 1990, and afterwards, if muslims were so sure then killing should have stopped, It did no? take sangrampura, wandhama, nandimarg. Whom you are making a fool about. it was muslims who killed hindus there, may be there is communal harmony there? but killing is also a fact. Second in reserch terms if army was so bad then the graveyards should have been full by 1989 why afterwards? This is an indication? why not fake encounters? The problem with muslims is that they do seldom speak the truth? Why are a long list of temples that have been destroyed in kashmir afterwards 1990, now you ask any muslim they say no no it is not true….whom are you fooling? outside world or your-self? when elections in 1989 were held millitnats had challenged and put coffins outside votiing booths lest votes are cast but votes were case, and let tell you those who had organised that terror they were part of this process in 1987 itself? take one more if you say 50000 or 90000 people are killed why it is after 1990 and if this an inference what kashmiri Hindus had to do in kashmir? die there? for a cause that they have not owned at any point of time in history? Why????? You muislims may have been told it is so-called tehreek it was and is terrorism for them today, because it is with this terror they were routed out from kashmir, they would not have left?
A Reader said
Mr Cashuur
You say “Indian media, supposed to be very alert and unbiased, took 2 decades to acknowledge what has been perpeterated on us. And mind you the case of disappeared persons is just a tip of the iceberg. There are much more heart wrenching stories of the atrocities which probably may never see the light of the day”
What about this story that Mustaq Zargar alias latram had blown a teen aged boy working as a weaver in a carpet owners house in which this latram had a hide-out, merely on the sucpicion of being a informer, and this boy was lone son and bread-earner in a family of several sistes and a widow mother… at that news what reactions people like you gave??????? may we know? what type of reaction press of kashmir gave?????????/
caashurr said
@ “How do we know”;
If your infomation or acquired knowledge is based on SIE’s blogs and newspapers, then i am sorry, i cannot discuss anything with you. There is lots which is put under wraps by indian government. I dont want to discuss with someone who ideolises army based on the media and hindi movies. Sorry mate.
“Whole busses of Kafirs blown?” Prey, do let me know when did that happen. Displacement as you call it, what triggered that? Again, it is in vain discussing that with you.
@ “A Reader”:
Dont be in a haste to reply just for the sake of it. Atleast, try to figure out WHO is writing and whom it should be addressed.
And as to your claims, get ur facts right. Who killed people in Sangrampura, chittisinghpora, or other places? I dont know. All i know is such killings always happen at a time when it affects the Kashmir cause. Why would a terrorist do such gross mistakes like that when they are able to perform highly planned activities(as per the indian forces and media).
“The problem with muslims is that they do seldom speak the truth?” Seldom speak the truth. So, who speaks the truth. Is it Indian Govt??? Oh yeah, they did when it rioted in Gujrat.
Mind answering who demolished Babri masjid in the secular india???
And then the Mushtaq Latram story. Did you see that happen???? Pure hearsay…
The truth is far from what you see on indian media, my friends. As to the disappearances, this has been happening since ’89. And it took 18 years to reach people outside kashmir. Ask someone what “Catch and Kill” means. This operation started in mid nineties, for your info.
I am not here to discuss kashmir with people who fled 18 years back for they dont know the life in kashmir now, it has since changed a lot. And all they have to write is bitta karate. And i certainly am not here to discuss kashmir with people who feel they know the kashmir issue based on what they read on newspapers in india and blogs by kashmiri pandits(cuz they are mostly presenting a different picture).
The blogs here only present my thoughts, and just the “life in kashmir”. As truly, as i can.
A Reader said
Mr Cashuur
You say ” I am not here to discuss kashmir with people who fled 18 years back for they dont know the life in kashmir now” That is what precisely what I was asking how did it change? If the malaria epedemic broke the deaths afterwards are a pointer to disease not before it. Second where are you stationed? so who is doing on haersay, if I was not witness to Latram’s actions does it mean you are witness to all fake encounters? Whom are you fooling???? Do speak the truth? we know what we can expect in writings from people like you? At least we in India do write truth you are cowarded by pakistan and its gun that you cannot speak… is this the freedom?????
caashurr said
@ A Reader,
Juz A Kashmiri said
Dear A Reader,
I hope I could see any logic in what you are trying to put up. I am not sure about Caashurr but I have witnessed fake encounters. If you still think you are being fooled, then may be.. you indeed are one.
Juz A Kashmiri
A Reader said
@Juz A Kashmiri
Mr JAK you sem to be a fooling yourself, the incident I narrated to Cashuur is that I know has happened? so who you people are fools not we? You may or may not have seen an encounter that is a diffrent issue, By jumping to conclusion you are proving yourself to be a fool, We read how many are killed in grenade attacks by millitnats that miss the target? The point is fools only live in fools paradise, we know by press what is happening where. A press that coerced into the single view-point what to expect from that press, whem masked men hand over the dictates to be published,if not that press-man is always in danger? and those who read that story and other side of story is not liked, he is the fool, not we… I hope you understand by now….. or you are still fooling yourself…. by the way the fake encounter you saw what you did??????
Juz A Kashmiri said
A Reader
Just go through this this
And then come to your own conclusions why Kashmiris will always feel alienated. Four innocent young children, read again children, killed and all Army officers absolved. Isn’t it enough to hang your head in shame?
A famous couplet, Kaaba Kis munh se jaaoge Ghaalib… , I am sure you’d have heard it somewhere.
Juz A Kashmiri
A Reader said
Mr Juz A Kashmiri
Mr JAK I told you read the lines and do not fool your-self and jump to conclusions, but you seem to be having a rush of blood and now listen. As I said above we read what is happening where by reading in the press. Why you are fooling yourself. And I tell you this one. When I was in Kashmir, one day in Jan-1990 one day from the mosques was sent a message on the loud-speakers at 10.00 PM that the public water has been poisoned by the Army so do not drink it, you all will be dead but peple had their meals by that time in that winter night? And they came to me like you complaining that look what army has resorted to? So people came on roads wept, beat their chests that they will not be alive next morning. But till date they are hale and hearty, so who was fool or fooled ? We know Kashmir and its people very well. We all know you lies. I will tell you one more, in 1988 a bomb depot got exploded in Islambad Pakistan and many people died. The Muslims of Kashmir at that time thought it was India that did it. All they could do was to vandalize the homes and temples of hindus in dense populated parts of city. Were you people ashamed then ? And hanged your head in shame?????????? Now that you are delivering sermons to others ???????
caashurr said
@ A Reader,
As i wrote earlier, i am not here to discuss Kashmir with a person whose knowledge is pathetically based on a biased media and who fails to come to terms with Reality. And yes, please stop writing these old pathetic lines (read lies). I dont see you have done anything better than repeat those lies…
Caashurr.
Juz A Kashmiri said
Dear A Reader,
You have chosen an apt title for yourself. That is precisely what you are – A Reader – and nothing more. We have seen countless “Readers” like you in Std. 1 and 2 when we used to have our first experience of an alien language fortunately thrust upon us by colonial powers.
Let me give you the reason why I am making such a huge comment. When I asked you to click a link, I expected you to have the guts to click there and use your mind (I assume you won’t disappoint us by saying anything to the contrary though you have given ample proof of what it is like) to acquaint yourself by the situation in the valley. But, aadat se majboor you will never do that, for you want to live in the past and you will continue to do that. Even now the stories that you are narrating (most of them half-cooked) go back around 2 decades early.
Get face to face with reality, it won’t do you any harm but you will lose your favourite plot.
Juz A Kashmiri